Thanks. Just like some people take forever to get over a simple cold, I would expect some to have a hard time with this mess. I think it is ignorance - or intellectual laziness - on Berenson's part. But certainly a slap in the face to those who are suffering.
Unfortunately I think it also just makes it easier to rally people around an idea when you think it's all fake or manufactured. It's why I think remarks that COVID is "just the flu" or that there was no pandemic can be disingenuous. It all relies on the fact that people have had the wool over their eyes and if you just stop thinking that X is real then the whole system falls apart. I think that's where a lot of the intellectual laziness comes in- to outright deny long COVID or viruses because it makes it easier to think means that we aren't providing ourselves room for nuance and complexity, and instead makes room for simplistic, reductive talking points.
As to Long COVID sufferers, one reason I wanted to be hesitant was the fact that early on Dr. Yoh and I believe Dr. Patterson did livestreams covering Long COVID and how difficult it was to make sense of it given how few confirmed cases there were early on due to lack of PCR testing. I just remember how the comments were full of people making comments that they just had some small cold or flu but didn't ever seem to fully recover. Although the truthfulness of those comments are up for debate, it at least made me aware that post-viral syndrome has likely been a think for quite some time that just never was given the proper assessment.
For sure - plenty of drs now are treating long covid.... and there is now a long vax... apparently with noticeable differences. Dr Pierre Kory for one at FLCCC.
It seems that if there's not a test for it, or if it doesn't show up on the blood tests or other tests already used, then it doesn't exist. But medical diagnoses are full of descriptions of symptoms - without clear known causes. And there's plenty of drugs that treat the symptoms, but can't treat the causes if they are not known.
A question I have is how many people in the transfected and untransfected groups have symptoms described as long covid. The transfection-vaccine has long-term side effects for some people, and I think it's hard to weed out symptoms from infection, and symptoms from this pharmaceutical product.
We still don't have clear explanations for things such as fibromyalgia, and heck even Alzheimer's hasn't been fully elucidated. To argue that science hasn't been able to capture something well doesn't mean that we just get rid of it entirely. I think what's strange is that there is a growing number of people who have taken the failures of science as a reason to throw out science entirely, but then do whatever they want with science to sort of draw whatever conclusions they want.
As sadie pointed out and I commented this sort of denial falls more in line with intellectual laziness- it's harder to consider nuance and context so instead just outright dismiss the thing.
With the vaccines it certainly makes it more difficult to consider what may be virus-related or what may be vaccine-related. It's why such poor data from the early portion of the pandemic has accumulated into poor data now. But given that reports of Long COVID happened prior to the vaccines we are at least aware of their existence and there being some relationship with the virus.
FYI, when I wrote "it seems like if there's not a test for it then it doesn't exist", I don't think that way, but some others do. I've known a couple people had chronic fatigue, to the point where they were largely in bed for a year.
It's hard to get to the root causes of things when there's so many variables affecting people's health. I think this is another reason why people dismiss it, maybe people in the medical field more than others; because they don't have a way to fix it - and doctors don't like to say "I don't know, I can't help you.". I think they'd rather say "it doesn't exist" (on a test or in a scientific study).
I have one acquaintance who did not get the shot and almost died from covid. Another friend said she's been having problems ever since her infection, so she might be one unvaccinated person I know who has long covid without being injected.
😉🙄🤦♀️ wait 3 more years and Berenson will be singing a different tune.😐
His "unbiased, journalistic rigour", as he likes to brag, is actually quite biased and fully entrenched when he has decided to take a stance. Takes him about 36mths to grudgingly unwind his point of view🙄
We can have retro virus reactivation, but we cant have "long covid"? Because.🤔🤔🙄🤦♀️
Whatever LC is or isnt, medical and social systems automatic assumption that it's NOT a thing, is just stupid, especially when they want to push the "novel" or "bioweapon" narrative.🤨😐
Thank you for your continued, unflinching dedication to looking at ALL the data.😉
I honestly thought it was timely since it showed up in my recommendations as I wrote my post on the intermittent fasting debacle, and in some ways I think it makes it more ironic since it sort of parallels how mainstream outlets tend to report on studies.
I've had a few criticisms regarding Berenson (as I would assume other writers have) mainly regarding the fact that he doesn't appear very careful in interpreting some of the data he comes across. You can't have a title that says Long COVID is fake when within the first few sentences you point out that it may be on par with other post-viral syndromes.
I guess you can say you can take the man out of the mainstream media but you can't take the mainstream media out of the man. 🤷♂️
Tell you what I'm skeptical of, it's people in such a misandric, gynocentric culture as as the West and still pushing the idea that women's healthcare isn't taken seriously, cos muh sexism.
You do realize that the current sociopolitical climate of social justice activism and all of that other nonsense doesn't obfuscate the reality that medicine's history hasn't been kind to many groups of people. Just because the feminist movement of today has harmed the relationship between men and women doesn't mean that a good portion of history didn't treat women well. What, do we argue that the ridiculousness of current racial politics somehow means that the Tuskegee Experiments were justified and ethical?
Tell you what, when we see marches for prostate cancer and it's men outliving women across the Western world I'll consider medicine indifferent to women.
Until then it's obvious which sex is considered disposable and which is treated as extra-special and important.
In regards to Long COVID or any post-viral syndrome? I haven't looked into radiation but I find it difficult to wrap my head around radiation itself as manifesting with these pathologies. But like I said I haven't looked into it so I can't make any informed comment on what other people may have talked about.
Thanks. Just like some people take forever to get over a simple cold, I would expect some to have a hard time with this mess. I think it is ignorance - or intellectual laziness - on Berenson's part. But certainly a slap in the face to those who are suffering.
Unfortunately I think it also just makes it easier to rally people around an idea when you think it's all fake or manufactured. It's why I think remarks that COVID is "just the flu" or that there was no pandemic can be disingenuous. It all relies on the fact that people have had the wool over their eyes and if you just stop thinking that X is real then the whole system falls apart. I think that's where a lot of the intellectual laziness comes in- to outright deny long COVID or viruses because it makes it easier to think means that we aren't providing ourselves room for nuance and complexity, and instead makes room for simplistic, reductive talking points.
As to Long COVID sufferers, one reason I wanted to be hesitant was the fact that early on Dr. Yoh and I believe Dr. Patterson did livestreams covering Long COVID and how difficult it was to make sense of it given how few confirmed cases there were early on due to lack of PCR testing. I just remember how the comments were full of people making comments that they just had some small cold or flu but didn't ever seem to fully recover. Although the truthfulness of those comments are up for debate, it at least made me aware that post-viral syndrome has likely been a think for quite some time that just never was given the proper assessment.
For sure - plenty of drs now are treating long covid.... and there is now a long vax... apparently with noticeable differences. Dr Pierre Kory for one at FLCCC.
Good article.
It seems that if there's not a test for it, or if it doesn't show up on the blood tests or other tests already used, then it doesn't exist. But medical diagnoses are full of descriptions of symptoms - without clear known causes. And there's plenty of drugs that treat the symptoms, but can't treat the causes if they are not known.
A question I have is how many people in the transfected and untransfected groups have symptoms described as long covid. The transfection-vaccine has long-term side effects for some people, and I think it's hard to weed out symptoms from infection, and symptoms from this pharmaceutical product.
We still don't have clear explanations for things such as fibromyalgia, and heck even Alzheimer's hasn't been fully elucidated. To argue that science hasn't been able to capture something well doesn't mean that we just get rid of it entirely. I think what's strange is that there is a growing number of people who have taken the failures of science as a reason to throw out science entirely, but then do whatever they want with science to sort of draw whatever conclusions they want.
As sadie pointed out and I commented this sort of denial falls more in line with intellectual laziness- it's harder to consider nuance and context so instead just outright dismiss the thing.
With the vaccines it certainly makes it more difficult to consider what may be virus-related or what may be vaccine-related. It's why such poor data from the early portion of the pandemic has accumulated into poor data now. But given that reports of Long COVID happened prior to the vaccines we are at least aware of their existence and there being some relationship with the virus.
True.
FYI, when I wrote "it seems like if there's not a test for it then it doesn't exist", I don't think that way, but some others do. I've known a couple people had chronic fatigue, to the point where they were largely in bed for a year.
It's hard to get to the root causes of things when there's so many variables affecting people's health. I think this is another reason why people dismiss it, maybe people in the medical field more than others; because they don't have a way to fix it - and doctors don't like to say "I don't know, I can't help you.". I think they'd rather say "it doesn't exist" (on a test or in a scientific study).
I have one acquaintance who did not get the shot and almost died from covid. Another friend said she's been having problems ever since her infection, so she might be one unvaccinated person I know who has long covid without being injected.
😉🙄🤦♀️ wait 3 more years and Berenson will be singing a different tune.😐
His "unbiased, journalistic rigour", as he likes to brag, is actually quite biased and fully entrenched when he has decided to take a stance. Takes him about 36mths to grudgingly unwind his point of view🙄
We can have retro virus reactivation, but we cant have "long covid"? Because.🤔🤔🙄🤦♀️
Whatever LC is or isnt, medical and social systems automatic assumption that it's NOT a thing, is just stupid, especially when they want to push the "novel" or "bioweapon" narrative.🤨😐
Thank you for your continued, unflinching dedication to looking at ALL the data.😉
Thanks!
I honestly thought it was timely since it showed up in my recommendations as I wrote my post on the intermittent fasting debacle, and in some ways I think it makes it more ironic since it sort of parallels how mainstream outlets tend to report on studies.
I've had a few criticisms regarding Berenson (as I would assume other writers have) mainly regarding the fact that he doesn't appear very careful in interpreting some of the data he comes across. You can't have a title that says Long COVID is fake when within the first few sentences you point out that it may be on par with other post-viral syndromes.
I guess you can say you can take the man out of the mainstream media but you can't take the mainstream media out of the man. 🤷♂️
There was a spike of cardiovascular and endothelial issues in 2020. Long COVID appears to be longterm issues form radiation poisoning.
Tell you what I'm skeptical of, it's people in such a misandric, gynocentric culture as as the West and still pushing the idea that women's healthcare isn't taken seriously, cos muh sexism.
You do realize that the current sociopolitical climate of social justice activism and all of that other nonsense doesn't obfuscate the reality that medicine's history hasn't been kind to many groups of people. Just because the feminist movement of today has harmed the relationship between men and women doesn't mean that a good portion of history didn't treat women well. What, do we argue that the ridiculousness of current racial politics somehow means that the Tuskegee Experiments were justified and ethical?
Those experiments were terrible.
Tell you what, when we see marches for prostate cancer and it's men outliving women across the Western world I'll consider medicine indifferent to women.
Until then it's obvious which sex is considered disposable and which is treated as extra-special and important.
Personally I think it’s effects of radiation exposure
In regards to Long COVID or any post-viral syndrome? I haven't looked into radiation but I find it difficult to wrap my head around radiation itself as manifesting with these pathologies. But like I said I haven't looked into it so I can't make any informed comment on what other people may have talked about.