Here's what I believe is another possible misinterpretation from the popular Clayton Morris. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzeQJVlFGoc - first minute is rough and not essential
I love eggs, but for basic nutritional value, not anything to do with the spike protein.
I skimmed the video and will give it a watch later on. What seems to be misunderstood and also shows up in the Clayton Morris video is that eggs have always been on reserve in order to produce different vaccines including the flu vaccines as eggs serve to grow the virus. So targeting eggs just leads to a whole mess of issues with the vaccine supply line which just seems like to much of an issue if people are trying to push for rampant vaccination.
It looks like this may be something in relation to the sourcing of the feed? Maybe a lot of the feed was outsourced to China or other countries, and if that's the case maybe that's the reason for the change? But that's me speculating.
Regardless, Clayton Morris is doing what many do and just reading the title and abstract for the information. He even glossed over the "immunized chickens" portion of the latter study which should have raised some eyebrows about the 1st study.
He tries to let others connect the dots, but I agree the jump between use of eggs for vax and consuming eggs is a huge dot connect that shouldn't be made... trying to tie too many things together. On the other hand, eggs are a great source of affordable protein, and it does appear there is effort being made to make them less and less affordable and available ... and now effort to make undesirable, but I think we know better
I generally find that the use of the phrase "I'll let you connect the dots" is sort of done as way to insinuate that what people are thinking are inherently true. Or maybe I'm being a bit paranoid in that regard.
But yes, you are right eggs are inherently nutritious. They are expected to carry a chick to term of fertilized, so it would make sense that it carries with it many of the nutrients needed to allow that to happen.
Also, I never answered your second point about the pH. The pH was in reference to our gastric juices. Because our stomachs are acidic it denatures many of the proteins that we eat. Because antibodies are inherently protein-based they are likely to become denatured in our stomachs, and therefore wouldn't be considered active. But it is interesting to think about the pH of eggs and their pH has it goes through various processes.
When you refer to chicken "feed" I cringe. Just wait until the powers that be manage to replace our food with "human feed". They appear to be working hard on it. It's for the good of the planet, you know.
Parents need to keep in close touch with their kids and their school assignments. I've seen teachers pushing curriculum that is encouraging bug eating. Also the video out of Canada with cricket farm rep letting kids test one out in the classroom!
Funnily enough, I wouldn't argue against the fact that bugs may be nutrient dense if the evidence supports it. I just don't want to eat bugs. Whatever happened to no meaning no? 🤷♂️
The processed and ultra-processed food producers tend promote a different notion of "nutrition", one that our bodies haven't caught on to. I haven't seen very much about the contents of these "new foods" yet, but what little I have seen so far looks like business as usual for the disease-promoting processed food industry.
You can't just feed anything to anything and expect things to go well. What's nutritious for one species is not for another, and many processed foods may be problematic for most or all. This is what to expect when microbes, let alone vermin, won't touch "long shelf life 'foods'".
But when things don't go well, somebody can at least make money treating the symptoms.
I saw that egg study that was supposedly giving protection from covid- I actually thought it was probably even written solely for the purpose of having “anti-vaxxers” cite it and then they can turn around and say see- the study doesn’t say what people think it does- these people are dolts. When something is too obvious and was funded by big pharma, you have to inspect it carefully.
Personally, it just seems like people wanted some explanation for what's going on and jumped on the eggs bandwagon, but that requires people overlook the fact that IgY would need to be produced via immunization of some sort and would make the entire "eggs good" argument moot, which then leads to the current issue of this information being spread.
Just for more on eggs : don't forget that many people after having covid can't stand eggs. That includes my husband, my self and our daughter. After two years I am just starting to eat some eggs. My husband started sooner. Our daughter who had covid 1yr after us, still won't eat eggs.
That's interesting. Maybe it's a sensitivity to the sulfur component? That's a bit of a speculation, but when my taste came back it came back suddenly, almost like I didn't realize subtleties in food. Maybe that has something to do with it? Or if taste and smell is impaired maybe the molecular profile of eggs is one that makes eggs just seem off.
It was nice to read about eggs without hearing about cholesterol. Thank you.
I read the "IgY antibody" research paper earlier this week, and it sounded quite detached from reality. There are plenty of good things we can get from eating good eggs. What exactly, I dunno, but it's been working for people for thousands of years. Rather than hoping for antibodies from eggs, I think people would be wise to consider the quality of the eggs they buy. CAFO is not the way to go.
I have been wondering about the egg supply, however. I am on my third supplier of organic pastured eggs in the past few months, a different supply chain from the usual, and relatively local, but still impacted. The price went up a bit and then came back down again with changing suppliers, and is currently at $10/dozen. Something's going on, I know not what.
The biggest issue with the IgY is that immunology and antibodies have been talked about so often the past few years that we probably should know that antibodies don't just some inherent mode of targeting the spike protein. It had to have gained that selection through immunization, and therefore we should realize that the hens used were immunized.
That makes the whole argument fall apart, because you don't just eat any random egg for IgY. If you wanted the anti-spike IgY it had to have come from immunized hens, and then there's the host of issues getting it from yolk to our body. Most IgY developed appear to be provided through nasal sprays so ingesting it would already have many issues.
Like I commented to Lee Muller, eggs should inherently be nutrient dense given that they're supposed to carry a chick. It would certainly make sense, then, that the health of the hen would weigh on the health the eggs.
I also don't know what's going on, and part of that unknown makes it easy to capture the attention of people by providing them with any answer, even if it doesn't make sense.
Thank you for taking the time to address these EXTRAordinary articles that have been popping up recently. I have seen so many inflammatory Substack articles from supposed skeptics and I used to subscribe so I could comment on errors/alternate opinions ... but most people don’t seem to care (a few people did concur with me) and rarely did the author address my concerns. Sadly most comments on these sites are the basic lickspittle you’ve come to expect (another great piece Dr. So & So) 🤦♀️
So thanks for actually reading the paper! It’s sad that those who fan the flames don’t actually seem to be reading said articles, but are nonetheless raking in the big money.
Interestingly, I've seen several people making that comment elsewhere. I would hope that people are aware when analyses are done incorrectly, but it appears that some people aren't interested in corrections in an attempt to save face.
The paper is extremely small, which makes it all the more weird. This has happened often where very short studies are misreported, and it bothers me that it's more common than it should be.
Eat real food, lots of variety, none produced in a feed lot factory, which is most eggs, milk and meat in this country. Real eggs, when chickens are carnivores, eating bugs and grubs, actually have flavor and color to the yolk. Same for the meat. Just sayin
I have had some looks at Newspunch months ago, they seem to be deliberate disinfo, aka "chaos agents", mixing some truths with made-up nonsense to contaminate counter-govt-narrative movements. It looks rather deliberate.
There are two issues not being addressed in the "IgY paper is bogus" argument.
1. Animals act as virus reservoirs.
2. Animals share DNA with us.
If an animal is a viral reservoir and is not infected itself, it has either developed resistance or does not have the required proteins to be infected itself. If it is the latter, how is the animal acting as a reservoir in the first place with no hooks for the virus to survive?
Now, since we share DNA with other animals, it is likely that we share parts of protein structures.
Also, if you are a virus, your best chance of success lies in being able to infect as many living creatures as possible. So a virus that binds to commonly available proteins across species has the best chance of success.
So an egg will likely have IgY that infects most animals including us.
Is Covid in this list of viruses? Well, I don't know but those experts who forced animals in the zoo to be vaccinated are surely hinting that this is the case. I remember the word 'reservoir' and children and animals used together in that context to justify vaccines.
Based on these arguments, I will conjecture that eggs already have IgY for Covid.
It is this conjecture that people are implicitly using to believe that eggs may be a good way to fight Covid. They may not go all the way in making these arguments and then some, but the logic coincides at least part of, if not all, the way.
The problem with the articles that clarify misinformation is that they go solely with what's black and white. They don't address the reasoning behind any of these beliefs. Because the pieces (from USA Today and ilk) are very pedantic, they are constantly revising their stance. Consider association of myocarditis and vaccines. USA Today and cabal went from claiming that this is a bogus statement to complete silence as CDC changed its stance. The crowd that suspected vaccines cause myocarditis has been shown to correct because they had a conjecture (driven by sixth sense in some cases) that turned out to be correct in spite of these people having no PhDs.
I'm not sure where you are getting at with your post. Hens, if infected with SARS-COV2, are likely to be immunized to COVID and therefore will carry anti-spike IgY antibodies.
But that's not the argument that is made here. The argument being put forth is suggests that eggs somehow inherently have IgY that can target the spike. That itself doesn't make sense, and the issue lies in the fact that information on HOW the IgY are produced were left out.
I'm not being a pedant by pointing out that people are leaving out critical information in their reporting of this study. I'm arguing solely on the fact that the information as it is presented is inherently flawed. The defense, then, is to provide suppositions as to what may be inferred by others in their arguments. I haven't seen anyone making any tangential arguments as to the benefits of IgY via the conjecture you proposed, and I'm not going to make that assumption on their behalf.
The people who reported on this article just did not do their due diligence in reading the article.
Here's what I believe is another possible misinterpretation from the popular Clayton Morris. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzeQJVlFGoc - first minute is rough and not essential
I love eggs, but for basic nutritional value, not anything to do with the spike protein.
Here's an interesting article I found on the pH of eggs - https://homekitchentalk.com/are-eggs-acidic-or-alkaline/
I skimmed the video and will give it a watch later on. What seems to be misunderstood and also shows up in the Clayton Morris video is that eggs have always been on reserve in order to produce different vaccines including the flu vaccines as eggs serve to grow the virus. So targeting eggs just leads to a whole mess of issues with the vaccine supply line which just seems like to much of an issue if people are trying to push for rampant vaccination.
It looks like this may be something in relation to the sourcing of the feed? Maybe a lot of the feed was outsourced to China or other countries, and if that's the case maybe that's the reason for the change? But that's me speculating.
Regardless, Clayton Morris is doing what many do and just reading the title and abstract for the information. He even glossed over the "immunized chickens" portion of the latter study which should have raised some eyebrows about the 1st study.
He tries to let others connect the dots, but I agree the jump between use of eggs for vax and consuming eggs is a huge dot connect that shouldn't be made... trying to tie too many things together. On the other hand, eggs are a great source of affordable protein, and it does appear there is effort being made to make them less and less affordable and available ... and now effort to make undesirable, but I think we know better
I generally find that the use of the phrase "I'll let you connect the dots" is sort of done as way to insinuate that what people are thinking are inherently true. Or maybe I'm being a bit paranoid in that regard.
But yes, you are right eggs are inherently nutritious. They are expected to carry a chick to term of fertilized, so it would make sense that it carries with it many of the nutrients needed to allow that to happen.
Also, I never answered your second point about the pH. The pH was in reference to our gastric juices. Because our stomachs are acidic it denatures many of the proteins that we eat. Because antibodies are inherently protein-based they are likely to become denatured in our stomachs, and therefore wouldn't be considered active. But it is interesting to think about the pH of eggs and their pH has it goes through various processes.
When you refer to chicken "feed" I cringe. Just wait until the powers that be manage to replace our food with "human feed". They appear to be working hard on it. It's for the good of the planet, you know.
Parents need to keep in close touch with their kids and their school assignments. I've seen teachers pushing curriculum that is encouraging bug eating. Also the video out of Canada with cricket farm rep letting kids test one out in the classroom!
With zero understanding of what actually constitutes nutrition. As usual.
Funnily enough, I wouldn't argue against the fact that bugs may be nutrient dense if the evidence supports it. I just don't want to eat bugs. Whatever happened to no meaning no? 🤷♂️
The processed and ultra-processed food producers tend promote a different notion of "nutrition", one that our bodies haven't caught on to. I haven't seen very much about the contents of these "new foods" yet, but what little I have seen so far looks like business as usual for the disease-promoting processed food industry.
You can't just feed anything to anything and expect things to go well. What's nutritious for one species is not for another, and many processed foods may be problematic for most or all. This is what to expect when microbes, let alone vermin, won't touch "long shelf life 'foods'".
But when things don't go well, somebody can at least make money treating the symptoms.
I saw that egg study that was supposedly giving protection from covid- I actually thought it was probably even written solely for the purpose of having “anti-vaxxers” cite it and then they can turn around and say see- the study doesn’t say what people think it does- these people are dolts. When something is too obvious and was funded by big pharma, you have to inspect it carefully.
Personally, it just seems like people wanted some explanation for what's going on and jumped on the eggs bandwagon, but that requires people overlook the fact that IgY would need to be produced via immunization of some sort and would make the entire "eggs good" argument moot, which then leads to the current issue of this information being spread.
Just for more on eggs : don't forget that many people after having covid can't stand eggs. That includes my husband, my self and our daughter. After two years I am just starting to eat some eggs. My husband started sooner. Our daughter who had covid 1yr after us, still won't eat eggs.
That's interesting. Maybe it's a sensitivity to the sulfur component? That's a bit of a speculation, but when my taste came back it came back suddenly, almost like I didn't realize subtleties in food. Maybe that has something to do with it? Or if taste and smell is impaired maybe the molecular profile of eggs is one that makes eggs just seem off.
It was nice to read about eggs without hearing about cholesterol. Thank you.
I read the "IgY antibody" research paper earlier this week, and it sounded quite detached from reality. There are plenty of good things we can get from eating good eggs. What exactly, I dunno, but it's been working for people for thousands of years. Rather than hoping for antibodies from eggs, I think people would be wise to consider the quality of the eggs they buy. CAFO is not the way to go.
I have been wondering about the egg supply, however. I am on my third supplier of organic pastured eggs in the past few months, a different supply chain from the usual, and relatively local, but still impacted. The price went up a bit and then came back down again with changing suppliers, and is currently at $10/dozen. Something's going on, I know not what.
The biggest issue with the IgY is that immunology and antibodies have been talked about so often the past few years that we probably should know that antibodies don't just some inherent mode of targeting the spike protein. It had to have gained that selection through immunization, and therefore we should realize that the hens used were immunized.
That makes the whole argument fall apart, because you don't just eat any random egg for IgY. If you wanted the anti-spike IgY it had to have come from immunized hens, and then there's the host of issues getting it from yolk to our body. Most IgY developed appear to be provided through nasal sprays so ingesting it would already have many issues.
Like I commented to Lee Muller, eggs should inherently be nutrient dense given that they're supposed to carry a chick. It would certainly make sense, then, that the health of the hen would weigh on the health the eggs.
I also don't know what's going on, and part of that unknown makes it easy to capture the attention of people by providing them with any answer, even if it doesn't make sense.
Thank you for taking the time to address these EXTRAordinary articles that have been popping up recently. I have seen so many inflammatory Substack articles from supposed skeptics and I used to subscribe so I could comment on errors/alternate opinions ... but most people don’t seem to care (a few people did concur with me) and rarely did the author address my concerns. Sadly most comments on these sites are the basic lickspittle you’ve come to expect (another great piece Dr. So & So) 🤦♀️
So thanks for actually reading the paper! It’s sad that those who fan the flames don’t actually seem to be reading said articles, but are nonetheless raking in the big money.
Interestingly, I've seen several people making that comment elsewhere. I would hope that people are aware when analyses are done incorrectly, but it appears that some people aren't interested in corrections in an attempt to save face.
The paper is extremely small, which makes it all the more weird. This has happened often where very short studies are misreported, and it bothers me that it's more common than it should be.
Eat real food, lots of variety, none produced in a feed lot factory, which is most eggs, milk and meat in this country. Real eggs, when chickens are carnivores, eating bugs and grubs, actually have flavor and color to the yolk. Same for the meat. Just sayin
I have had some looks at Newspunch months ago, they seem to be deliberate disinfo, aka "chaos agents", mixing some truths with made-up nonsense to contaminate counter-govt-narrative movements. It looks rather deliberate.
There are two issues not being addressed in the "IgY paper is bogus" argument.
1. Animals act as virus reservoirs.
2. Animals share DNA with us.
If an animal is a viral reservoir and is not infected itself, it has either developed resistance or does not have the required proteins to be infected itself. If it is the latter, how is the animal acting as a reservoir in the first place with no hooks for the virus to survive?
Now, since we share DNA with other animals, it is likely that we share parts of protein structures.
Also, if you are a virus, your best chance of success lies in being able to infect as many living creatures as possible. So a virus that binds to commonly available proteins across species has the best chance of success.
So an egg will likely have IgY that infects most animals including us.
Is Covid in this list of viruses? Well, I don't know but those experts who forced animals in the zoo to be vaccinated are surely hinting that this is the case. I remember the word 'reservoir' and children and animals used together in that context to justify vaccines.
Based on these arguments, I will conjecture that eggs already have IgY for Covid.
It is this conjecture that people are implicitly using to believe that eggs may be a good way to fight Covid. They may not go all the way in making these arguments and then some, but the logic coincides at least part of, if not all, the way.
The problem with the articles that clarify misinformation is that they go solely with what's black and white. They don't address the reasoning behind any of these beliefs. Because the pieces (from USA Today and ilk) are very pedantic, they are constantly revising their stance. Consider association of myocarditis and vaccines. USA Today and cabal went from claiming that this is a bogus statement to complete silence as CDC changed its stance. The crowd that suspected vaccines cause myocarditis has been shown to correct because they had a conjecture (driven by sixth sense in some cases) that turned out to be correct in spite of these people having no PhDs.
I'm not sure where you are getting at with your post. Hens, if infected with SARS-COV2, are likely to be immunized to COVID and therefore will carry anti-spike IgY antibodies.
But that's not the argument that is made here. The argument being put forth is suggests that eggs somehow inherently have IgY that can target the spike. That itself doesn't make sense, and the issue lies in the fact that information on HOW the IgY are produced were left out.
I'm not being a pedant by pointing out that people are leaving out critical information in their reporting of this study. I'm arguing solely on the fact that the information as it is presented is inherently flawed. The defense, then, is to provide suppositions as to what may be inferred by others in their arguments. I haven't seen anyone making any tangential arguments as to the benefits of IgY via the conjecture you proposed, and I'm not going to make that assumption on their behalf.
The people who reported on this article just did not do their due diligence in reading the article.