I’ve had some growing thoughts- or really concerns- the past few months on the direction that all of this COVID discourse is heading. Even with all of the troubling issues related to the vaccines, I have found that even COVID skeptics may be inundated with fear mongering and hysteria, all of which may override critical thinking.
There are movies upon which to reflect, and there are scriptures. This one, the concluding portion of a longer passage, reflects a first century AD worldview, but arrives at a similar conclusion:
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Matthew 6:31-34 (CSB) ... So don’t worry, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear?’ For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be provided for you. Therefore don’t worry about tomorrow, because tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
Thanks ClearMiddle. I'm not religious so I'm not familiar with many verses, so I may have to do some reading to gain a better understanding, but I assume the general intent is to say that there are always things to worry about, so rather than spending each day worrying about the next deal with the worries of today and continue to live life?
Yes, and to highlight an ancient perspective on these matters, which have plagued humanity all along. "There is nothing new under the sun." And it's not about planning; it's about worry. Verse 27 is "Can any of you add one moment to his life span by worrying?" The Greek word behind "worrying" means "being anxious".
These words are from a sermon, a very famous one, Jesus' "Sermon on the Mount". There is much more to it, it was counter-cultural, and the original listeners had plenty to worry about. There are parallels between their situation then and our situation now, and the principles still apply, just under 2000 years later.
I believe part and parcel of critical thinking is the evaluation of material from any and all sources with a shimmer of credibility. We should keep in mind that a key component of any psyop is disinformation from the psyop itself, usually disseminated to distract and confuse. Truth seekers must muddle through the fear porn to ascertain and contextualize factual information. Muddling is also necessary in developing a sixth sense as to what is or is not true.
Not the one shouting this from the rooftops but here goes.
"How is spike shedding any different than viral shedding from an infected individual?"
If spike production is greater with vaccination, both in quantity over time, and duration compared with natural infection, then it *may* be discovered that shedding post vaccination is an order of magnitude greater than otherwise. Or nonetheless more pervasive, and prolonged with routine boosting.
"Even if this study is used to argue that spike shedding is occurring, it would also suggest that antibodies are being made to bind to the spike. Again, what issue is spike if its binding capacity is being blocked by antibodies? Why pick one part of the study to validate your position and overlook the other part of the study?"
Creating antibodies is not without effort, and seemingly there is a limit to how much even a fully functioning immune system with prior exposure / training can ward off before a person suffers from other ENT infections or worse.
"If you are naturally infected, shouldn’t your immune system quickly respond to the spike being shed by people anyways? Shouldn’t most people be protected from spike shedding?"
Follows from previous. Perhaps (if it's happening) people have acquired or have innate protection from secondhand spike, but to what degree might spike saturation be increasing chronic illness? No doubt this is seen as difficult to evaluate and thus we observe the conjecturing.
All relevant to the mrna sceptic position as many accepted emergency vaccination under the pretext of consideration to protect those around them. If it were to be discovered that instead the good people caused harm, sceptics would g̶a̶i̶n̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶s̶u̶p̶p̶o̶r̶t̶ continue to be ignored anyway.
But the problem is that all of this is based off of suppositions. We have no quantification of anything, and so would it be proper to say "we don't know if this is happening, and even if it is happening we don't know the extent" to then extrapolate a model that infers a magnitude of spike more? Keep in mind that this doesn't make any reference to any possibly bound spike even prior to leaving the body.
Antibodies do require effort, but we apparently create antibodies against anything. Like I mentioned in my alpha-gal post we apparently make antibodies against red meat, so many we should limit our red read consumption?
I think it's important to pushback on my comments, but I would hope that the people diving into the vaccine shedding position do more to bolster their position.
I don't know if it's happening. Some are confident it is. If it is, certainly we don't know to what extent.
It's probably not feasible to keep families trapped in isolated lab environments, and I, like many others, do not know how a study might be suitably designed to test the hypothesis.
We witnessed the safety of the mrna platform promoted on suppositions and then observed some bad outcomes. So I think people are happy to throw things into the air and cause a fuss, hoping that there will be a push for more studies and that someone will be able to figure it out conclusively. I understand this is a bit annoying for one looking for signals over noise.
Would absolutely side with you on not attempting to isolate or shun the vaccinated over this.
I believe the majority of the sceptic position held the same philosophy that people must be allowed to continue to live their lives regardless of an emergent threat. This also being considered to be likely the surest way of achieving real herd immunity.
However, if there is a possible mechanism of shedding induced illness, then (while this hypothesis is being tested) a courtesy of staying home for a period of time post vaccination could be requested in the same way one would preferably not come into the office with the flu. This would be bad for vaccine business, so vaccine producers are unlikely to be motivated to see the concern.
I have recently published on substack a self-admitted "fear porn" long-form piece that synthesizes my key findings (and outstanding concerns) about the past 3 years of medical technology and intervention. Nothing about shedding, bigger concerns. But I admit this because I feel as you--we can't get trapped in cycles of fear and distrust of others. We did some dumb stuff. What else is new. Humans are resilient, and mind manifests much of that. Climate fear is beginning to peak. Aliens. Cash. Perhaps all warranted, but it never helps, and we know fear is an effective tool for control. We know we are more stupid and lizard-brained when fearful. Clearly, we must hold hard truths with levity, as a pragmatic approach to life. Feel free to check out my latest piece to help dislodge complacency and wake others to the realities of distorted information, but it's heavy, and I support optimism, levity, humor, gratitude, peace, and love. We manifest it together.
This definitely make one think. The “fear porn” aspect is so exhausting.
Some analogies might be worthwhile.
Drinking an alcoholic beverage doesn’t “hurt” another person, but if that drinking becomes alcoholism, which turns into abuse, is it wrong to extract yourself from interacting as much with that person (after politely and lovingly telling them why)?
If a person is delusional, do you play along with the delusion if only to spend time with them? Or do you try to help them through their delusion by being truthful? This is a huge conundrum for families with members with mild to severe mental health problems. You can only interact with deeply lost individuals in their dementia-suffered world; you have to meet them there or you don’t meet them at all. They aren’t hurting you physically, but it hurts in other ways, definitely.
There was a similar argument around masking (one that I even used with some friends). “What does it hurt? You’re making someone else feel comfortable, who cares if it’s just theater.” But once we find evidence that no, it might possibly be harmful to the reluctant and forceful wearer, in ways that could be biological as well as psychological, then we might want to reevaluate our choices.
If vaccines were definitively proven to “shed”, and that shedding could lead to others, at worst case, dying, I think intervention akin to alcohol rehabilitation would be necessary, i.e. “your choices are harming you and other people”, but until that evidence is found, these people are just having a drink, and just because you don’t drink, doesn’t mean you still can’t enjoy being with them when they do. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ministry of retribution in the pandemic era with a growing suspicion of the others and fear of living. Besides the question of vaccine shedding there is plenty to be concerned about.. whats the next emergency and who/how many will fall in line. From the Forbes Fumento article we know EU watchdog groups were aware of how the WHO was planning on weaponizing the Swine Flu response to push global solutions to health, economics and social justice. Here we are 10-13 years later. Learn to recognize the inconsequential and ignore it but dont be complacent that this is over. Its just getting started. Acceptance is key. Prepare accordingly! Thanks for the article.
Thanks again for bringing your critical thinking and study assessment skills to the substack community. I think you're right, we need to watch for fear mongers and profiteers in this community as well.
I made some lifelong unvaccinated friends who live near me. Spiritual practice is a big part of my life, and these four women all have spiritual practices. It's amazing, and even strange how well we get along. We have a potluck every other week. We thought we'd be gathering to prepare for hard times, but what we've ended up doing is having a whole lot of fun together! That's the best way to live and die, enjoy oneself and healthy relationships.
My family is all vaccinated and I see them regularly in groups of one or two. I never noticed any physical symptoms. My neighbor came over a day after getting a booster and I had mild cold symptoms that night and half the next day. I thought it might be vaccine shedding, I wasn't sure. I just came home from a retreat with 400 vaccinated people (I was one of the few unvaccinated). I had upper chest congestion and an irritated throat the whole time. The day after I came home, those symptoms disappeared like they were never there. So I think there's something to vaccine shedding. I don't want to separate myself from these beautiful people, I just want to find something to help me not have symptoms around to them. So far salt, baking soda and borax baths seem to help.
I totally agree with you though, we all need to stick together and love one another, no matter what Pharma drugs we've taken. ❤️
God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power, of love and of a sound mind. 2Tim 1.7 Hard to see that so many forgot the Scriptures they claim to believe in... I especially wonder about that last one... sound mind? lol Reason disappeared and emotion took over.
For sure -- I don't even know what those antibodies would signify. Do we even know enough about bodies and antibodies to come to a conclusion? The air we breathe had at one time passed through a cow or dog or car or raccoon or human. It just keeps circulating and has been doing so for eons, yet here we are still.
I'm taking one of King Solomon's reflections - eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die. Well, not literally because I don't drink but I will enjoy today because tomorrow is not guaranteed.
There are movies upon which to reflect, and there are scriptures. This one, the concluding portion of a longer passage, reflects a first century AD worldview, but arrives at a similar conclusion:
---
Matthew 6:31-34 (CSB) ... So don’t worry, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear?’ For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be provided for you. Therefore don’t worry about tomorrow, because tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
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Thanks ClearMiddle. I'm not religious so I'm not familiar with many verses, so I may have to do some reading to gain a better understanding, but I assume the general intent is to say that there are always things to worry about, so rather than spending each day worrying about the next deal with the worries of today and continue to live life?
Yes, and to highlight an ancient perspective on these matters, which have plagued humanity all along. "There is nothing new under the sun." And it's not about planning; it's about worry. Verse 27 is "Can any of you add one moment to his life span by worrying?" The Greek word behind "worrying" means "being anxious".
These words are from a sermon, a very famous one, Jesus' "Sermon on the Mount". There is much more to it, it was counter-cultural, and the original listeners had plenty to worry about. There are parallels between their situation then and our situation now, and the principles still apply, just under 2000 years later.
I believe part and parcel of critical thinking is the evaluation of material from any and all sources with a shimmer of credibility. We should keep in mind that a key component of any psyop is disinformation from the psyop itself, usually disseminated to distract and confuse. Truth seekers must muddle through the fear porn to ascertain and contextualize factual information. Muddling is also necessary in developing a sixth sense as to what is or is not true.
Not the one shouting this from the rooftops but here goes.
"How is spike shedding any different than viral shedding from an infected individual?"
If spike production is greater with vaccination, both in quantity over time, and duration compared with natural infection, then it *may* be discovered that shedding post vaccination is an order of magnitude greater than otherwise. Or nonetheless more pervasive, and prolonged with routine boosting.
"Even if this study is used to argue that spike shedding is occurring, it would also suggest that antibodies are being made to bind to the spike. Again, what issue is spike if its binding capacity is being blocked by antibodies? Why pick one part of the study to validate your position and overlook the other part of the study?"
Creating antibodies is not without effort, and seemingly there is a limit to how much even a fully functioning immune system with prior exposure / training can ward off before a person suffers from other ENT infections or worse.
"If you are naturally infected, shouldn’t your immune system quickly respond to the spike being shed by people anyways? Shouldn’t most people be protected from spike shedding?"
Follows from previous. Perhaps (if it's happening) people have acquired or have innate protection from secondhand spike, but to what degree might spike saturation be increasing chronic illness? No doubt this is seen as difficult to evaluate and thus we observe the conjecturing.
All relevant to the mrna sceptic position as many accepted emergency vaccination under the pretext of consideration to protect those around them. If it were to be discovered that instead the good people caused harm, sceptics would g̶a̶i̶n̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶s̶u̶p̶p̶o̶r̶t̶ continue to be ignored anyway.
But the problem is that all of this is based off of suppositions. We have no quantification of anything, and so would it be proper to say "we don't know if this is happening, and even if it is happening we don't know the extent" to then extrapolate a model that infers a magnitude of spike more? Keep in mind that this doesn't make any reference to any possibly bound spike even prior to leaving the body.
Antibodies do require effort, but we apparently create antibodies against anything. Like I mentioned in my alpha-gal post we apparently make antibodies against red meat, so many we should limit our red read consumption?
I think it's important to pushback on my comments, but I would hope that the people diving into the vaccine shedding position do more to bolster their position.
I don't know if it's happening. Some are confident it is. If it is, certainly we don't know to what extent.
It's probably not feasible to keep families trapped in isolated lab environments, and I, like many others, do not know how a study might be suitably designed to test the hypothesis.
We witnessed the safety of the mrna platform promoted on suppositions and then observed some bad outcomes. So I think people are happy to throw things into the air and cause a fuss, hoping that there will be a push for more studies and that someone will be able to figure it out conclusively. I understand this is a bit annoying for one looking for signals over noise.
Would absolutely side with you on not attempting to isolate or shun the vaccinated over this.
I believe the majority of the sceptic position held the same philosophy that people must be allowed to continue to live their lives regardless of an emergent threat. This also being considered to be likely the surest way of achieving real herd immunity.
However, if there is a possible mechanism of shedding induced illness, then (while this hypothesis is being tested) a courtesy of staying home for a period of time post vaccination could be requested in the same way one would preferably not come into the office with the flu. This would be bad for vaccine business, so vaccine producers are unlikely to be motivated to see the concern.
I have recently published on substack a self-admitted "fear porn" long-form piece that synthesizes my key findings (and outstanding concerns) about the past 3 years of medical technology and intervention. Nothing about shedding, bigger concerns. But I admit this because I feel as you--we can't get trapped in cycles of fear and distrust of others. We did some dumb stuff. What else is new. Humans are resilient, and mind manifests much of that. Climate fear is beginning to peak. Aliens. Cash. Perhaps all warranted, but it never helps, and we know fear is an effective tool for control. We know we are more stupid and lizard-brained when fearful. Clearly, we must hold hard truths with levity, as a pragmatic approach to life. Feel free to check out my latest piece to help dislodge complacency and wake others to the realities of distorted information, but it's heavy, and I support optimism, levity, humor, gratitude, peace, and love. We manifest it together.
This definitely make one think. The “fear porn” aspect is so exhausting.
Some analogies might be worthwhile.
Drinking an alcoholic beverage doesn’t “hurt” another person, but if that drinking becomes alcoholism, which turns into abuse, is it wrong to extract yourself from interacting as much with that person (after politely and lovingly telling them why)?
If a person is delusional, do you play along with the delusion if only to spend time with them? Or do you try to help them through their delusion by being truthful? This is a huge conundrum for families with members with mild to severe mental health problems. You can only interact with deeply lost individuals in their dementia-suffered world; you have to meet them there or you don’t meet them at all. They aren’t hurting you physically, but it hurts in other ways, definitely.
There was a similar argument around masking (one that I even used with some friends). “What does it hurt? You’re making someone else feel comfortable, who cares if it’s just theater.” But once we find evidence that no, it might possibly be harmful to the reluctant and forceful wearer, in ways that could be biological as well as psychological, then we might want to reevaluate our choices.
If vaccines were definitively proven to “shed”, and that shedding could lead to others, at worst case, dying, I think intervention akin to alcohol rehabilitation would be necessary, i.e. “your choices are harming you and other people”, but until that evidence is found, these people are just having a drink, and just because you don’t drink, doesn’t mean you still can’t enjoy being with them when they do. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ministry of retribution in the pandemic era with a growing suspicion of the others and fear of living. Besides the question of vaccine shedding there is plenty to be concerned about.. whats the next emergency and who/how many will fall in line. From the Forbes Fumento article we know EU watchdog groups were aware of how the WHO was planning on weaponizing the Swine Flu response to push global solutions to health, economics and social justice. Here we are 10-13 years later. Learn to recognize the inconsequential and ignore it but dont be complacent that this is over. Its just getting started. Acceptance is key. Prepare accordingly! Thanks for the article.
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If Someone Is Already Afraid Of "Air"
And Took A Vaccine,
Tell Them That "Gravity" Is Weakening
And That They Must Take A Vaccine
Designed To Make Them Heavier
So That They Don't Float Into Outer Space.
And To Wear A Heavier Mask While They Are At It.
- Maybe A Helmet Too.
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Thanks again for bringing your critical thinking and study assessment skills to the substack community. I think you're right, we need to watch for fear mongers and profiteers in this community as well.
I made some lifelong unvaccinated friends who live near me. Spiritual practice is a big part of my life, and these four women all have spiritual practices. It's amazing, and even strange how well we get along. We have a potluck every other week. We thought we'd be gathering to prepare for hard times, but what we've ended up doing is having a whole lot of fun together! That's the best way to live and die, enjoy oneself and healthy relationships.
My family is all vaccinated and I see them regularly in groups of one or two. I never noticed any physical symptoms. My neighbor came over a day after getting a booster and I had mild cold symptoms that night and half the next day. I thought it might be vaccine shedding, I wasn't sure. I just came home from a retreat with 400 vaccinated people (I was one of the few unvaccinated). I had upper chest congestion and an irritated throat the whole time. The day after I came home, those symptoms disappeared like they were never there. So I think there's something to vaccine shedding. I don't want to separate myself from these beautiful people, I just want to find something to help me not have symptoms around to them. So far salt, baking soda and borax baths seem to help.
I totally agree with you though, we all need to stick together and love one another, no matter what Pharma drugs we've taken. ❤️
God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power, of love and of a sound mind. 2Tim 1.7 Hard to see that so many forgot the Scriptures they claim to believe in... I especially wonder about that last one... sound mind? lol Reason disappeared and emotion took over.
For sure -- I don't even know what those antibodies would signify. Do we even know enough about bodies and antibodies to come to a conclusion? The air we breathe had at one time passed through a cow or dog or car or raccoon or human. It just keeps circulating and has been doing so for eons, yet here we are still.
I'm taking one of King Solomon's reflections - eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die. Well, not literally because I don't drink but I will enjoy today because tomorrow is not guaranteed.