Thank you! That's actually interesting. It seems like in the case of MRSA the diagnoses were reversed.
I may look into rabies! I do recall reading a hypothesis once where the authors were questioning if the bubonic plague may have been of viral etiology rather than bacterial, so there's a good deal of things in the world of pathogens that is worth looking into.
In the meantime, I went back and checked a few articles from last year. These may interest you in regards to vampires:
So... can Watson tell us what would prevent the massive release of neurotransmitters? Seems there must be some plant that would aid one's recovery. I believe it was Dr Levy that dealt with it easily via vit C - but I think IV.
At my house the brown widows moved in and took over for quite a few yrs with very few blacks remaining... then they must have been frolicking together in the dark because we soon had gray ones with darker leg bands and orange hourglass. Just this week I killed one that was a strange dark orange in the mail box... not sure what it's parentage could be but a similar one had made itself at home under the couch afghan and the wall.
Every so often I get my son to go with me on a seek and destroy mission outside - after 10pm seems to be good timing -- our record so far is 30 in one night.
I know a guy who has been bitten several times -- the first was the worst. He said once you're bit just prepare to have the worst nausea and vomiting you can ever imagine for the next 24hrs.
I'm not sure how vitamin C would be able to help. I'm not sure who Dr. Levy is so I can't speak about his/her protocol. since it is a protein it seems like, hypothetically, the antivenoms should be effective as the antibodies should be able to bind and block Latrotoxin from reaching nerves. I would suspect that one big issue in antivenoms, aside from the allergic reactions, is that they may be deployed too late and not be effective since the Latrotoxins are already doing their thing.
I'm not sure if widows mate across species. It could be an entirely separate species that is making their way into your house. Either way that's a scary thing to think about! They do appear to be nocturnal so it does make sense that they will be more easy to spot at night.
As to the guy, it's possible that the spider bite is immunogenic, considering that horses and goats produce antibodies against the venom. So it's possible that repeat bites may be attenuate by an antibody response.
I'll send an email to the university entomology dept and ask re crossbreeding... the browns are easy to spot as their egg sac is studded.
My mistake - It was Dr Klenner - decades ago who used IV C and made news curing polio, various envenomizations, childhood diseases etc....
I read some yrs ago of an enzyme cream invented in Australia to be applied to snakebite - it would give the victim an extra 30 min to get help... was specific to certain snakes. Perhaps something like that would work on other venoms.
So I tried looking up Dr. Klenner and couldn't find much aside from certain cites that seem to provide anecdotal accounts, so I don't know what to make of his actual success rate. In general, I hesitate when something is considered a panacea. The fact that it's supposed to treat so many things under the sun makes me suspicious of other factors, or the veracity of the claims. Not saying they're not true but I would need more information.
As to the cream, it appears the cream they used elicited nitric oxide production which appeared to dampen the venom's ability to go through the lymphatic system. I don't know much about it aside from the fact that the article argues that Australia's snakes utilize a neurotoxin whereas the ones in the us cause tissue damage.
😅 Right!? Anything with so many legs and eyes should be viewed with suspicion, despite their important place in our Earth's ecosystem. I have a nice long handled spider catcher with filaments that grab the spider to be placed outside.
A friend moved from Massachusetts to Arkansas and my brother in law (he’s a jerk) thought it was funny to scare her and told her that a common house spider was a brown recluse. She thought she was seeing them everywhere and was scared to death.
Moving from California where black widows are everywhere, I was surprised to find them in Arkansas. Over the 30 years I’ve been here I’ve seen very few; but, my youngest was bitten by a recluse when he was young which I treated with lots of vitamin C. No scar.
You always deliver a treat. This reminds me of how many MRSA infections were misdiagnosed as brown recluse bites. Next Halloween, maybe rabies!?
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Thank you! That's actually interesting. It seems like in the case of MRSA the diagnoses were reversed.
I may look into rabies! I do recall reading a hypothesis once where the authors were questioning if the bubonic plague may have been of viral etiology rather than bacterial, so there's a good deal of things in the world of pathogens that is worth looking into.
In the meantime, I went back and checked a few articles from last year. These may interest you in regards to vampires:
https://moderndiscontent.substack.com/p/vampires-from-a-scientific-lens
https://moderndiscontent.substack.com/p/why-do-vampires-avoid-garlic
So... can Watson tell us what would prevent the massive release of neurotransmitters? Seems there must be some plant that would aid one's recovery. I believe it was Dr Levy that dealt with it easily via vit C - but I think IV.
At my house the brown widows moved in and took over for quite a few yrs with very few blacks remaining... then they must have been frolicking together in the dark because we soon had gray ones with darker leg bands and orange hourglass. Just this week I killed one that was a strange dark orange in the mail box... not sure what it's parentage could be but a similar one had made itself at home under the couch afghan and the wall.
Every so often I get my son to go with me on a seek and destroy mission outside - after 10pm seems to be good timing -- our record so far is 30 in one night.
I know a guy who has been bitten several times -- the first was the worst. He said once you're bit just prepare to have the worst nausea and vomiting you can ever imagine for the next 24hrs.
I'm not sure how vitamin C would be able to help. I'm not sure who Dr. Levy is so I can't speak about his/her protocol. since it is a protein it seems like, hypothetically, the antivenoms should be effective as the antibodies should be able to bind and block Latrotoxin from reaching nerves. I would suspect that one big issue in antivenoms, aside from the allergic reactions, is that they may be deployed too late and not be effective since the Latrotoxins are already doing their thing.
I'm not sure if widows mate across species. It could be an entirely separate species that is making their way into your house. Either way that's a scary thing to think about! They do appear to be nocturnal so it does make sense that they will be more easy to spot at night.
As to the guy, it's possible that the spider bite is immunogenic, considering that horses and goats produce antibodies against the venom. So it's possible that repeat bites may be attenuate by an antibody response.
I'll send an email to the university entomology dept and ask re crossbreeding... the browns are easy to spot as their egg sac is studded.
My mistake - It was Dr Klenner - decades ago who used IV C and made news curing polio, various envenomizations, childhood diseases etc....
I read some yrs ago of an enzyme cream invented in Australia to be applied to snakebite - it would give the victim an extra 30 min to get help... was specific to certain snakes. Perhaps something like that would work on other venoms.
So I tried looking up Dr. Klenner and couldn't find much aside from certain cites that seem to provide anecdotal accounts, so I don't know what to make of his actual success rate. In general, I hesitate when something is considered a panacea. The fact that it's supposed to treat so many things under the sun makes me suspicious of other factors, or the veracity of the claims. Not saying they're not true but I would need more information.
As to the cream, it appears the cream they used elicited nitric oxide production which appeared to dampen the venom's ability to go through the lymphatic system. I don't know much about it aside from the fact that the article argues that Australia's snakes utilize a neurotoxin whereas the ones in the us cause tissue damage.
This may be the article you read:
https://www.science.org/content/article/when-snake-bites-try-ointment
Goodness! Next time I'll have to include the links... I probably have more time than you do! Thanks!
I just can't read this one, I gave me the willies to start reading! I've always been afraid of spiders. 🙃
I honestly had some trouble writing it... Spiders tend to send off my "burn it all" instinct. I mean, why so many legs and eyes??
😅 Right!? Anything with so many legs and eyes should be viewed with suspicion, despite their important place in our Earth's ecosystem. I have a nice long handled spider catcher with filaments that grab the spider to be placed outside.
A friend moved from Massachusetts to Arkansas and my brother in law (he’s a jerk) thought it was funny to scare her and told her that a common house spider was a brown recluse. She thought she was seeing them everywhere and was scared to death.
Moving from California where black widows are everywhere, I was surprised to find them in Arkansas. Over the 30 years I’ve been here I’ve seen very few; but, my youngest was bitten by a recluse when he was young which I treated with lots of vitamin C. No scar.
I chose to not teach my children fear of nature