Ivermectin had absolutely INCREDIBLE effect on my wife when she had Covid.
She was laid down with 101 fever last december of 2021. Confirmed Covid. Gave her 0.3 mg/kg Ivermectin. The temperature dropped to normal in TWO HOURS. Only rose briefly when I tried giving her a lower dose after 2 days -- corrected with proper dose and all came back to normal. No long covid.
Yeah I am not a horse -- and not a cow -- but I AM NOT A SHEEP either!
I constantly reiterate that personally, it's not about whether Ivermectin is effective but if doctors are allowed to prescribe medications and act as independent doctors. especially when people were told there were no treatment options available and yet stopped any attempt at providing at least something. The fact that mere tweets from the FDA can halt a doctor's ability to practice is seriously alarming.
With that being said, I'm glad Ivermectin had an effect on your wife. There were plenty of people who weren't allowed to take anything and likely suffered bad outcomes because doctors weren't allowed to be doctors.
Everything stated is done to obfuscate any implication on the side of the FDA. I don't know much about legal topics but my amateur opinion actually suggests that there is some merit to the fact that the lawsuit doesn't directly implicate the FDA and therefore they can't sue for damages.
And that's sort of the problem. Many doctors and lay people will immediately follow the orders of the FDA without considering them as guidelines, and that sort of removes the FDA from being held liable. So now people are acting on behalf of the FDA, when the FDA is targeted for their behaviors, they can just wipe their hands clean of the situation by alleging that no direct ties can be made to them.
"Many doctors and lay people will immediately follow the orders of the FDA without considering them as guidelines, and that sort of removes the FDA from being held liable"
Yes. They are as brazen and used to being followed that they can expect what we call "Vorauseilender Gehorsam" in German, roughly "running-ahead obedience", or "preemptive obedience", i.e. authority does almost not even need to speak, anticipating obedience will be there.
I do remember mentions of doctors supposedly losing their board certification or license alltogether for such things, though. But maybe there was more that they used than presribing IVM.
...recalling a dinner table conversation at some in-laws, from back then, when we already knew the value of IVM and HCQ
“can you believe people are taking horse paste?”
I quietly roll my eyes and keep chewing, never engaging the willfully uninformed. And yeah, same ones are lining up for the “God gave you two arms” Fluster shots.
Hence why it essentially became a meme. It became so widely adopted and became a stand in for the actual drug. That should allude to the power and influence the FDA has on people to make such a thing come into being.
Somehow I knew it would be dismissed <eye roll>. I agree with you that even IF the FDA always used language suggesting or recommending that Ivermectin should not be used by humans to treat CV19, the tweet and other statements definitely swayed public perception and opinion about this great medication. People died because of what the FDA did in this case.
Also, I believe (but may be wrong) that the CDC made several similar statements against Ivermectin use. The false and misleading information spread by these organizations resulted in media further spreading this to an unsuspecting public -- one that blindly follows directives from these and any other government agency. Again, people suffered and died because of it.
The fact that the whole Joe Rogan debacle happened and was widely reported on, and yet the FDA didn't even bother to make some statement saying, "hey, heads up Joe Rogan took human Ivermectin. The FDA doesn't recommend the use of Ivermectin for COVID, but this is a clarification, talk to your doctor blah blah blah,' but as far as I'm aware they stayed silent. So it's pretty interesting that they can make these statements suggesting they were recommendations and yet make no attempt to stop misinformation when it comes to one of the most popular podcasters out there being targeted.
The issue is that the FDA is being obtuse and ambiguous. The recommendation almost serves as a removal of liability by having the FDA enforce their power via fiat. Have the doctors and those in the public do the work of demonizing certain drugs then make comments about the FDA not being tied directly to those statements leaving them rather clean.
Ivermectin had absolutely INCREDIBLE effect on my wife when she had Covid.
She was laid down with 101 fever last december of 2021. Confirmed Covid. Gave her 0.3 mg/kg Ivermectin. The temperature dropped to normal in TWO HOURS. Only rose briefly when I tried giving her a lower dose after 2 days -- corrected with proper dose and all came back to normal. No long covid.
Yeah I am not a horse -- and not a cow -- but I AM NOT A SHEEP either!
I constantly reiterate that personally, it's not about whether Ivermectin is effective but if doctors are allowed to prescribe medications and act as independent doctors. especially when people were told there were no treatment options available and yet stopped any attempt at providing at least something. The fact that mere tweets from the FDA can halt a doctor's ability to practice is seriously alarming.
With that being said, I'm glad Ivermectin had an effect on your wife. There were plenty of people who weren't allowed to take anything and likely suffered bad outcomes because doctors weren't allowed to be doctors.
For some reason it sounded a lot like "We _recommend_ you to not prescribe that... if you'd like to keep your certification / license"
Everything stated is done to obfuscate any implication on the side of the FDA. I don't know much about legal topics but my amateur opinion actually suggests that there is some merit to the fact that the lawsuit doesn't directly implicate the FDA and therefore they can't sue for damages.
And that's sort of the problem. Many doctors and lay people will immediately follow the orders of the FDA without considering them as guidelines, and that sort of removes the FDA from being held liable. So now people are acting on behalf of the FDA, when the FDA is targeted for their behaviors, they can just wipe their hands clean of the situation by alleging that no direct ties can be made to them.
"Many doctors and lay people will immediately follow the orders of the FDA without considering them as guidelines, and that sort of removes the FDA from being held liable"
Yes. They are as brazen and used to being followed that they can expect what we call "Vorauseilender Gehorsam" in German, roughly "running-ahead obedience", or "preemptive obedience", i.e. authority does almost not even need to speak, anticipating obedience will be there.
I do remember mentions of doctors supposedly losing their board certification or license alltogether for such things, though. But maybe there was more that they used than presribing IVM.
Exactly!
...recalling a dinner table conversation at some in-laws, from back then, when we already knew the value of IVM and HCQ
“can you believe people are taking horse paste?”
I quietly roll my eyes and keep chewing, never engaging the willfully uninformed. And yeah, same ones are lining up for the “God gave you two arms” Fluster shots.
Hence why it essentially became a meme. It became so widely adopted and became a stand in for the actual drug. That should allude to the power and influence the FDA has on people to make such a thing come into being.
I’ve had similar experiences and STILL do!
From the thuggish alphabet soup gang (CDC, FDA, NIH, etc.): it would be a real shame if you took horse dewormer...
Then why were doctors told not to prescribe IVM or else?
Somehow I knew it would be dismissed <eye roll>. I agree with you that even IF the FDA always used language suggesting or recommending that Ivermectin should not be used by humans to treat CV19, the tweet and other statements definitely swayed public perception and opinion about this great medication. People died because of what the FDA did in this case.
Also, I believe (but may be wrong) that the CDC made several similar statements against Ivermectin use. The false and misleading information spread by these organizations resulted in media further spreading this to an unsuspecting public -- one that blindly follows directives from these and any other government agency. Again, people suffered and died because of it.
The fact that the whole Joe Rogan debacle happened and was widely reported on, and yet the FDA didn't even bother to make some statement saying, "hey, heads up Joe Rogan took human Ivermectin. The FDA doesn't recommend the use of Ivermectin for COVID, but this is a clarification, talk to your doctor blah blah blah,' but as far as I'm aware they stayed silent. So it's pretty interesting that they can make these statements suggesting they were recommendations and yet make no attempt to stop misinformation when it comes to one of the most popular podcasters out there being targeted.
I agree. They doubled down. We use IVM and have found it incredibly useful for all kinds of things, least of all COVID.
Are you freaking kidding me? I hate cowards.
They're following their established playbook. Per Midwestern Doctor: https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/i/86055211/are-guidelines-law
Yes, precisely.
The issue is that the FDA is being obtuse and ambiguous. The recommendation almost serves as a removal of liability by having the FDA enforce their power via fiat. Have the doctors and those in the public do the work of demonizing certain drugs then make comments about the FDA not being tied directly to those statements leaving them rather clean.