It's a double-edged sword to be quite honest. On one hand, the lack of a control group may suggest that any negative data may have no frame of reference. However, in this case the opposite may be happening, in which all of this may be noise due to other circumstances. We don't know the children's infection history, we don't know of seasonality and other factors that may contribute to these supposedly attenuated cytokine responses, and so either it may be related to the vaccines or something else and we can't tell.
Only in kids and a very small group over very short time period... but how else do they keep the money coming in? Gotta think up something to study. I think it's not been long enough to give any indication of long term immune dysfunction. The clinician and parents will be able to tell over time if their kids are less healthy. And we can see what happens in those we know.
Off topic but did you comment anywhere on the findings out of Japan where they tried tracing covid back via sequencing and came to the conclusion that every variant has come from a lab and is not a "natural" variant? Sometimes I overwhelm myself with too much reading and can't recall who wrote on what :|)
Thank you for your time doing all this - I do enjoy your dismantling of the headlines. In this crazy world it's too easy to just skim.
The last few sentences from the first paragraph are sort of why I'm a bit hesitant in thinking this is anything long-term as we should expect to see a viable signal of increasing hospitalizations and deaths due to other infections which doesn't seem to be the case. The transient nature of VZV, although it needs investigating, suggests that any immune dysfunction may attenuate, otherwise the VZV should not resolve on its own.
Ironically, since everyone was told to get the shingles vaccine if they saw this outbreak, a really good study would be to examine these people post shingles vaccination and see if that altered their cytokine response. It would at least provide a window into "corrections".
I've seen that study but I haven't looked closely into it. I think it's a bit interesting since a while back I wrote an article commenting on how strange Omicron is relative to prior variants. For all intents and purposes GvB's hypothesis doesn't seem to account for Omicron given it's reduced virulence. As to the other variants I'm not sure. I did see that the authors mention that the other variants may not be man made but that seems to introduce an extrapolation that is going to get people caught up in conspiracies more than assessing whether the data makes sense.
I may look at it at another time and see what I can gather. It requires a bit of evolutionary concepts and molecular biology so I'd have to do additional research.
But anyways, thank you sadie! I try my best and I may not get things right a lot of the times, but I try to dig deeper than what we normally get.
Yet another vaccine study without a real control group. Is there even a single vaccine study that tests against an unvaccinated control group?
I think the study conducted on four mice did 🤣🤡
It's a double-edged sword to be quite honest. On one hand, the lack of a control group may suggest that any negative data may have no frame of reference. However, in this case the opposite may be happening, in which all of this may be noise due to other circumstances. We don't know the children's infection history, we don't know of seasonality and other factors that may contribute to these supposedly attenuated cytokine responses, and so either it may be related to the vaccines or something else and we can't tell.
Only in kids and a very small group over very short time period... but how else do they keep the money coming in? Gotta think up something to study. I think it's not been long enough to give any indication of long term immune dysfunction. The clinician and parents will be able to tell over time if their kids are less healthy. And we can see what happens in those we know.
Off topic but did you comment anywhere on the findings out of Japan where they tried tracing covid back via sequencing and came to the conclusion that every variant has come from a lab and is not a "natural" variant? Sometimes I overwhelm myself with too much reading and can't recall who wrote on what :|)
Thank you for your time doing all this - I do enjoy your dismantling of the headlines. In this crazy world it's too easy to just skim.
The last few sentences from the first paragraph are sort of why I'm a bit hesitant in thinking this is anything long-term as we should expect to see a viable signal of increasing hospitalizations and deaths due to other infections which doesn't seem to be the case. The transient nature of VZV, although it needs investigating, suggests that any immune dysfunction may attenuate, otherwise the VZV should not resolve on its own.
Ironically, since everyone was told to get the shingles vaccine if they saw this outbreak, a really good study would be to examine these people post shingles vaccination and see if that altered their cytokine response. It would at least provide a window into "corrections".
I've seen that study but I haven't looked closely into it. I think it's a bit interesting since a while back I wrote an article commenting on how strange Omicron is relative to prior variants. For all intents and purposes GvB's hypothesis doesn't seem to account for Omicron given it's reduced virulence. As to the other variants I'm not sure. I did see that the authors mention that the other variants may not be man made but that seems to introduce an extrapolation that is going to get people caught up in conspiracies more than assessing whether the data makes sense.
I may look at it at another time and see what I can gather. It requires a bit of evolutionary concepts and molecular biology so I'd have to do additional research.
But anyways, thank you sadie! I try my best and I may not get things right a lot of the times, but I try to dig deeper than what we normally get.
A poisoned terrain!