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weedom1's avatar

It's always elderberry season 😎.

(So nasty if you hurl something so colorful that might even stain the "throne", and memorable for sure. I have sympathy, and a relatable 🤢 red pepper story.)

I noticed 3',4',5,7 tetra-methyl-O-quercetin which got the 30,40 numbering in the Mocanu article, had the regular ACS numbering in the article that Mocanu referenced. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19682714/

Chemical nomenclature drives me nutz. I stored an article on how those plant flavanoids are numbered in IUPAC-land. https://iupac.qmul.ac.uk/flavonoid/index.html#Flv361 It's fairly systematic, I guess.

So glad you included the cytokine storm discussion. Even before COVID people had been somewhat terrorized by the Spanish flu story in which many deaths were later blamed on cytokine storm. In herbalism people were being talked down from using echinacea and elderberry for flu.

Seems to me that on balance these plants are immune modulatory rather than immune stimulants. They can enhance some immune functions and chemotaxis, and suppress others.

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Sonya Lazarevic MD, MS's avatar

I have an elderberry OTC cough and cold formula I keep on hand at the start of winter, when taken just as sxs begin, it always nip it in the bud. thank you for this well thought out article. I hope the job is going well!

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