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Stoichastic's avatar

Total biology newb here, but my naive understanding was the lymph drains to the nodes from there into the blood stream. When the original "it stays at the injection site" claims were made, I was puzzled as that's not how I understand the lymph system to work from my studying of exercise physiology. I could be totally wrong, but my understanding was when you exercise you create lots of bits and pieces of detritus (damaged muscle cells, etc) and something like massage is great as it flushes all that "exterior to the damaged cells" gunk up to the lymph nodes and then out to the blood stream to be processed and expelled as necessary. (I remember an admonition to "massage towards the heart" for that reason).

So I recently started reading up on the immune system. In my reading on the immune system I see macrophages et al grab bits and pieces of pathogen (also vaccine), travel to the lymph nodes. Here they can present to T and B cells, get the adaptive response started, etc, etc.

If the lymph nodes drain into the blood, what's to stop the various bits and pieces of uneaten but successfully transported to the lymph node vaccine components (or generated spike) from being piped back into the blood system and thence around the body to wherever they can latch on?

Is it that only the cells with the right receptors (or what have you) can leave the lymph into the blood stream? Or is it more it's impossible to not get eaten by neutrophils, macrophages, etc on the way to the lymph node?

Apologies if this is really dumb. I am trying to learn :D

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Brian Mowrey's avatar

Your explanation of the % encapsulation part helps me think up a rationale why an "inferior" Acuitas LNP5 was included to begin with - perhaps as a benchmark for the in-house LNP12 formulation. Presumably BioNTech was hopeful but not confident that their own version was ready for prime-time.

Thank you for the kind remarks and links.

Speaking of LNPs, do you know off-hand if there is any research or theoretical argument regarding whether they can be "sequestered" somewhere in tissues or intracellularly without breaking up for a certain time? Emphasis on the "off-hand," I know you've been keeping the LNP question on the back-burner as have I so I'm not asking for any what-you-are-doings to be dropped.

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