I would think that not using your own cells as antigen factories has to be a plus when it comes to safety. If I had to take one, I suppose it would be this one, except that:
- I don't have to
- It's not available here in the USA
- The omicron spike is so different from the Wuhan spike that antibodies created by any of the existing vaccines are effectively useless now.
Yupp, all of the points you outlined are what's important Ross. It does reduce the issues of using your body as the middle man, but for them to still use the same spike protein as the original strain doesn't make sense. I can only suppose that they couldn't change the spike due to the EUA and doing so would require they go through the whole review process and more clinical trials. Instead, I guess it's easier to just suggest a booster shot, but I've made this argument before- that would essentially mean it would require you nearly two months to be considered "protected against Omicron", and at that point it's far more likely that you would have been infected anyways.
Covaxin is the only one I would consider if required by gun point.
We all need to do two things.
1) Keep gently talking with friends and family. We need not be emotional or push too hard that they will run the other way, like mentioning wef or planned depopulation, in my opinion. They just need the facts and to be told the reason you say anything is because you care about them. I wrote the following post because even after a year of explaining, I was asked this question https://leemuller.substack.com/p/but-is-it-experimental
If the 50% of us in the know, is able to bring just ONE other person into the light, we will have a chance.
2) Call out the 120 Democratic and 91 Republican Representatives currently in the U.S. Congress who voted to pass the multi-billion dollar 21st Century Cures Act (2016) that enabled uninformed consent and pushed "Real World Evidence" during the past two years. Contact our officials to hold them accountable to: preserve our Constitutional rights by ending and preventing mandates, compensate and provide help to the vaccine injured, and remove liability protection enacted through the PREP Act (2005 and 2020). - RightingTheWrongs.org
I heard Fauci will be speaking at commencement. Is the protest at the same time? I hope not. I think it's okay to protest, but I would not do it during what is supposed to be a joyous occasion for family and friends.
Thanks for all your work. I super appreciate it. I have had covid twice, once before vaccines and then omicron. I would not want to disturb this immunity with any kind of vaccine. And since many many more people have had covid than registered, it is certainly not a good idea to get vaccinated unless you know if you had it or not: or personally period. I imagine you know all this but I thought I would put in a quote from Time about the CDC study to determine how many people have had covid: "In the CDC’s new study, researchers used data on antibodies—proteins the body generates to fight off an infection—to better understand how many people in the U.S. previously had COVID-19. Antibodies made to fight off SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) are distinct from those produced by vaccines, so testing for these proteins can help determine if someone was previously infected, even unknowingly." Whoops I guess they slipped when they admitted that the antibodies from the disease are different than the vaccines.
Yes, it really does not make sense. I've written about it when I had Omicron but at that point, considering that everyone was getting it and that these vaccines were not sterilizing it really made no sense to me as to why we did not stop with the ridiculousness.
So what they are referring to is the presence of the Nucleocapsid protein. If you watch the CDC data as the vaccines were rolling out they actually indicate that they were testing blood samples for both the presence of spike antibodies and nucleocapsid antibodies, and someone who had both was naturally infected while the spike alone was just vaccine immunity.
Now, as to the importance of targeting the nucleocapsid is a different story.
Thanks for your response! I have been busy recently trying to figure out about the fact that many many vaccinated get sick after only two days of the vaccine and since they only count with hospitals as vaccinated after two weeks, they get counted as unvaccinated. I have no idea how to expose this.
It's mostly a formality in which they can state proper immunity doesn't kick in until two weeks after the 2nd dose, and therefore you are technically "unvaccinated" although you should be developing immunity over time; it's only that after 14 days your antibody titers are at their peak I believe.
As for getting sick immediately after, I believe it may be part of the immune suppression that people have been reporting on. I've known of many people who immediately got sick after their booster but this is during Omicron so part of me suspects that, considering Omicron is everywhere, people were fine with it but the immune suppression likely dropped their immune system low enough to not properly fight off an initial infection. It's a mere speculation, but that may account for one issue. There is also the issue that people believe that they are "fully vaccinated" immediately after getting their vaccine which means they may be more likely to expose themselves by going out more.
Apr 29, 2022·edited Apr 29, 2022Liked by Modern Discontent
Thanks for this. I've not been following new vax info (old vax info is appalling enough), after I found out that there is no safety data on most any of the vaccines, as reported by Robert Kennedy Jr in his book, when the CDC and FDA admitted they had no vaccine safety studies, after a freedom of information request was filed to see their safety studies. The same destroy the control group as for the mRNA therapies strategy had been used to obfuscate. And that (for example) influenza vaccine (which may or may not have efficacy, that relative risk is so much bs) results in greater susceptibility to other respiratory viruses (I don't have a link to research here but is findable with the right query) So I've decided to avoid vaccines as a matter of course.
Having said that, I always encourage people who ask me my opinion to do their own research. Your review is something I can guide them to, so thank you.
A piece conveying relative risk vs absolute risk would be a good article to write about, JMO.
Yeah, I actually did not cover this for a while because of the issues with these clinical trials. If we saw how faulty all of the other trials were I did not have much faith that this would be any different. The important thing worth considering with this vaccine is whether an antigen-based vaccine would still lead to similar adverse reactions, as that would mostly implicate the spike protein and not necessarily the LNPs or the protein production process. But like I have explained in the post, we may not see anything serious until we have a higher sample, meaning they provide it to millions of people. I did review the supplemental material again and there were a few concerning adverse events reported but it's hard to discern them as being "from" or "with" the vaccines.
That's interesting about the Influenza vaccine and higher susceptibility. If you ever come across that study again could you send it my way Paul?
I will comment that this does make me wonder about prior vaccine trials and how robust they actually were. Everything going on makes one question many of our prior trials.
Thanks Paul. I'll try taking a look when I have time. The childhood vaccine thing, in one aspect, may have their safety profile live on for the same reason these mRNA vaccines are- millions of people got it, so it has to be safe. The only thing is that these childhood vaccines can also evoke decades of use as another way to validate themselves. It's somewhat circular in logic.
Ok, memory was wrong. It was in relation to the childhood vaccines (not influenza) and no inert placebo testing for any of the mandated childhood vaccines. Page 323 in Kennedy's book The Real Anthony Fauci, first page of chapter 10: "HHS admitted that...none of the mandated childhood vaccines had been tested for safety in pe-licensing inert placebo tests." The letter from HHS, in response to a FOIA request for safety testing information of clinical trials for the vaccines is posted at childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/hhs-response-january-29-2018.pdf
So, yeah, malfeasance has been alive and well for years in the vaccine business.
Thank you for this informative summary! I did have hopes in the beginning that this might be a better route for a vaccine since it was at least similar to some current vaccines and not wholly new like the mRNA vaccines. If indeed the spike protein itself is immunogenetic then I do wonder if there is even a point in trying to create a vaccine (when the cure is as bad or maybe worse than the disease). As it now has natural animal reservoirs it will never be eradicated so perhaps the shift in public health response should focus on improving our overall health as this is quite a survivable disease for the overwhelming majority of people.
Thank you Clarisse. Yes, this is the conundrum of whether the cure is the disease. If all of this is traced to the spike protein the argument we can make then is that the spike protein dosing may be an issue. We can try to relate the level of spike in this vaccine to the spike in the mRNA vaccines.
A lot of vaccine zealots try to argue that you will be exposed to far more spike from an infection, but the process is gradual as the virus begins replicating. These vaccines may be providing a far higher dose all at once, and when providing that to a naïve body that isn't aware of this new antigen it may not be able to properly clear it out immediately.
This makes me wonder if they should have went, if anything, with a gradual increase in dose.
I am in Australia, I have a friend who had NOVAVAX after one dose got shingles, extreme fatigue and skin lesions, large red blisters and was diagnosed with diabetes
I'm sorry to hear that Penny. Apologies if this is too personal but do you know if your friend was given a diagnosis of something autoimmune or allergy-related? I'm wondering if this is happening quite often in Australia. It may mean that these adverse reactions may be more related to the spike protein, but we would also need some more information.
He has had a diagnosis of Lymes disease and had a 6 month exemption for that reason, despite his reluctance to get the jab and the GP knowing he had Lymes disease she gave him the jab anyway
We live in a very tick prone area in Australia, doctors here refuse to admit that there is Lymes disease in Australia despite blood tests showing that they have it, I only mention this as there seems to be a pattern here, Lyme disease can be treated with HCQ, but they treat Lymes disease (which doesn’t occur in Australia apparently) with IV drugs, which I assume are very expensive
Thanks for that information Penny. Lyme disease is hard to diagnose here in the US since it appears to be an exclusionary diagnosis similar to lupus. I'm wondering if the Lyme disease may have been a contributing factor, and based on your comments it appears that Lyme disease is being seriously underreported, which may also contribute to the possible adverse reactions.
Thank you for the good article, now that I'm finally reading it.
It seems to me that Novavax's potential market of people who want a vaccine but prefer a more traditional concoction would have been substantial if it would have been available in the U.S. in at least mid 2021. Now, however, the fiasco of the mRNA shots has hardened the position of most who have been able to avoid them, as well as many who took them. It's a hard pass on any COVID shot from here on out for a majority of the population.
I doubt if the delay in approval was for benign reasons, but whatever the case, I hope it's never approved in the U.S.
We still don't know what could be considered the toxic agent, and if it is the spike protein that really just means there's nothing we can do unfortunately (like I said, it'll essentially be a situation of the cure being the disease).
But you're right, I believe that the concerns over Operation Warp-speed and the incoherent messaging really did not play well with many who wanted to see other options. I've heard people say that they'll be skeptical of any vaccine now, and so you certainly won't win someone over with a COVID vaccine regardless if it's a more traditional version.
Thanks for this write-up. I have been saying for a while I believe Novavax will be "safer" because it doesn't force your body to create spike protein - and I stand by that until data shows me otherwise. However, Novavax shares the problem of the same old spike protein being used. Besides the potential cytotoxicity of the spike protein itself, using the old protein may set up the immune system to focus on the wrong thing...and lead to worsening outcomes for future variants. We shall see.
PS I think the FDA may possibly be slow walking Novavax because they know it's safer...and when VAERS shows the difference they won't be able to hide the mRNA problems anymore.
There are a few concerning adverse reactions, but personally I don't have the ability to really separate out the data in any deep manner. Novavax will tell us if it the spike protein at least, but like you said using the Wuhan spike really won't help much in light of Omicron. Novavax testing a booster dose to target Omicron would mean that someone who is naïve to the virus would need 3 doses likely separated over two months, and at that point if you haven't gotten it yet you will likely get it then!
And thanks for highlighting my post! I'm sorry someone took it very personally for you to look around at different information. Regardless of the title you can still provide your own perspective!
Apr 29, 2022·edited Apr 29, 2022Liked by Modern Discontent
Thanks so much for the thorough rundown of novavax. 👍🏽💕 I don't imagine I will ever take another vaccine again in my life. And I certainly don't want the toxic spike protein in my body from this novavax vaccine. And then I wish more of the public would understand the difference between relative and absolute efficacy. They were really bamboozled on that one with the MRNA vaccines.
You know, I'm seeing that coming up a lot and I honestly cannot blame people. I've taken an annual flu vaccine for many years while many of my friends and family didn't. Then these vaccines came out, I didn't take them but everyone else did and I'm just left perplexed. But it really is starting to make me rethink whether I would consider annual vaccines- certainly not for respiratory viruses at this moment.
Interesting, what made you take the yearly flu vaccine? I have a friend who is in his '70s and has taken it every year for a while. His acupuncturist actually recommended it to him because he was getting regular infections, and he said it helped.
I got one or two bad flus in my twenties, and haven't had one since.
During the summer of 2021, I was researching vaccines. On the Novavax site, it said said the proteins in its vax were perfectly folded.. Folded proteins with nanoparticles sounds bad to me. I can’t find this on their website now. I was hoping I’d saved it, but I guess I didn’t. I saw on the current site Novavax is bragging about how quickly vaccines can be developed. They seem to think that’s a good thing. I’m not taking this one either. They could hold me down for it, of course.
So I don't know anything about that post, but the perfectly folded may have been discussing the structure of the spike protein which is trimeric (has three of the same subunits attached to it) and so it may be referencing that.
I will say that we should not dismiss it based on the nanoparticles alone. I think many in the FLCCC or other dissenting voices did not quite do justice in clarifying what nanoparticles are. They are just very small structures and they can be comprised of anything. I'm sure we have many nanoparticles in our bodies involved with many cellular processes.
The issue is the makeup of the nanoparticles. The LNPs used for the mRNA vaccines contain various tertiary amine lipids which some people are concerned about, although these lipids have been in use in other areas for a few decades.
It could be that the formulation of these LNPs may cause our body to recognize them as similar structures in our bodies, but we have no information about that unfortunately and may have to see if anyone is researching that.
As for Novavax's Matrix M, like I stated the only concern would be the saponin, but the saponin used is one that is used in many foods and cosmetics, so even if there may be concerns with these saponins we may have been exposed to them at some point in time.
So overall I would argue, at least for the time being, that the nanoparticles may be a red herring- they may not be the cause of these adverse reactions but may just be along for the ride.
Regardless, for some reason it doesn't appear as if the FDA is interested in its EUA approval, so I guess we have to wait and see how long until it gets approved.
Thanks for replying. I guess my bottom line is do I need a medical procedure for something I have some antibodies against if I don’t know for sure the therapy/drug is 100 percent safe? I did read than some types of nanoparticles were used so that therapeutics could penetrate the blood brain barrier. I’d like to know if these specific nano particles can do this. I can see how nanotechnology crossing the BBB can be use for cancer treatment and other types of brain ailments, but i would think it’s imperative to know if all nano particles or any carrying a load you may not want in the brain do can cross it. I’m still in watching and listening mode.
You're right on the first part Canny. I really see no reason why natural immunity is being downplayed so egregiously, especially at this point. I will continue to reiterate that everyone has gotten Omicron so the whole push for vaccination even now seems somewhat ridiculous.
As for the blood-brain barrier, that's likely due to the inability to access the central nervous system. The blood-brain barrier makes it near impossible for many drugs to viably pass through, and therefore it's hard to use therapeutic agents to try to target it. It's likely that the lipid nanoparticles were designed to be a delivery system for drugs. Aside from that I am not quite sure the actual formulations, but it would be interesting to see if there were crossover molecules used in these vaccines considering neurological problems are occurring.
I'm sorry to hear that happened to your children John. Choose whichever direction you wish, all that I ask is that you try to keep an open mind and look at different perspectives. It appears you are entrenched in your position, but even still try to seek out different ideas as that's one of the only ways we see what else is out there.
And no hard feelings John. Stop by every now and then even if you don't agree with my posts just so you can see what else is out there. But always keep in mind that comment you made that there are other things in life that's worth doing, and if they bring some joy then that's something worth pursuing.
I would think that not using your own cells as antigen factories has to be a plus when it comes to safety. If I had to take one, I suppose it would be this one, except that:
- I don't have to
- It's not available here in the USA
- The omicron spike is so different from the Wuhan spike that antibodies created by any of the existing vaccines are effectively useless now.
Yupp, all of the points you outlined are what's important Ross. It does reduce the issues of using your body as the middle man, but for them to still use the same spike protein as the original strain doesn't make sense. I can only suppose that they couldn't change the spike due to the EUA and doing so would require they go through the whole review process and more clinical trials. Instead, I guess it's easier to just suggest a booster shot, but I've made this argument before- that would essentially mean it would require you nearly two months to be considered "protected against Omicron", and at that point it's far more likely that you would have been infected anyways.
Covaxin is the only one I would consider if required by gun point.
We all need to do two things.
1) Keep gently talking with friends and family. We need not be emotional or push too hard that they will run the other way, like mentioning wef or planned depopulation, in my opinion. They just need the facts and to be told the reason you say anything is because you care about them. I wrote the following post because even after a year of explaining, I was asked this question https://leemuller.substack.com/p/but-is-it-experimental
If the 50% of us in the know, is able to bring just ONE other person into the light, we will have a chance.
2) Call out the 120 Democratic and 91 Republican Representatives currently in the U.S. Congress who voted to pass the multi-billion dollar 21st Century Cures Act (2016) that enabled uninformed consent and pushed "Real World Evidence" during the past two years. Contact our officials to hold them accountable to: preserve our Constitutional rights by ending and preventing mandates, compensate and provide help to the vaccine injured, and remove liability protection enacted through the PREP Act (2005 and 2020). - RightingTheWrongs.org
I heard Fauci will be speaking at commencement. Is the protest at the same time? I hope not. I think it's okay to protest, but I would not do it during what is supposed to be a joyous occasion for family and friends.
Thanks for all your work. I super appreciate it. I have had covid twice, once before vaccines and then omicron. I would not want to disturb this immunity with any kind of vaccine. And since many many more people have had covid than registered, it is certainly not a good idea to get vaccinated unless you know if you had it or not: or personally period. I imagine you know all this but I thought I would put in a quote from Time about the CDC study to determine how many people have had covid: "In the CDC’s new study, researchers used data on antibodies—proteins the body generates to fight off an infection—to better understand how many people in the U.S. previously had COVID-19. Antibodies made to fight off SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) are distinct from those produced by vaccines, so testing for these proteins can help determine if someone was previously infected, even unknowingly." Whoops I guess they slipped when they admitted that the antibodies from the disease are different than the vaccines.
Yes, it really does not make sense. I've written about it when I had Omicron but at that point, considering that everyone was getting it and that these vaccines were not sterilizing it really made no sense to me as to why we did not stop with the ridiculousness.
So what they are referring to is the presence of the Nucleocapsid protein. If you watch the CDC data as the vaccines were rolling out they actually indicate that they were testing blood samples for both the presence of spike antibodies and nucleocapsid antibodies, and someone who had both was naturally infected while the spike alone was just vaccine immunity.
Now, as to the importance of targeting the nucleocapsid is a different story.
Thanks for your response! I have been busy recently trying to figure out about the fact that many many vaccinated get sick after only two days of the vaccine and since they only count with hospitals as vaccinated after two weeks, they get counted as unvaccinated. I have no idea how to expose this.
It's mostly a formality in which they can state proper immunity doesn't kick in until two weeks after the 2nd dose, and therefore you are technically "unvaccinated" although you should be developing immunity over time; it's only that after 14 days your antibody titers are at their peak I believe.
As for getting sick immediately after, I believe it may be part of the immune suppression that people have been reporting on. I've known of many people who immediately got sick after their booster but this is during Omicron so part of me suspects that, considering Omicron is everywhere, people were fine with it but the immune suppression likely dropped their immune system low enough to not properly fight off an initial infection. It's a mere speculation, but that may account for one issue. There is also the issue that people believe that they are "fully vaccinated" immediately after getting their vaccine which means they may be more likely to expose themselves by going out more.
Thanks for this. I've not been following new vax info (old vax info is appalling enough), after I found out that there is no safety data on most any of the vaccines, as reported by Robert Kennedy Jr in his book, when the CDC and FDA admitted they had no vaccine safety studies, after a freedom of information request was filed to see their safety studies. The same destroy the control group as for the mRNA therapies strategy had been used to obfuscate. And that (for example) influenza vaccine (which may or may not have efficacy, that relative risk is so much bs) results in greater susceptibility to other respiratory viruses (I don't have a link to research here but is findable with the right query) So I've decided to avoid vaccines as a matter of course.
Having said that, I always encourage people who ask me my opinion to do their own research. Your review is something I can guide them to, so thank you.
A piece conveying relative risk vs absolute risk would be a good article to write about, JMO.
Aloha
Yeah, I actually did not cover this for a while because of the issues with these clinical trials. If we saw how faulty all of the other trials were I did not have much faith that this would be any different. The important thing worth considering with this vaccine is whether an antigen-based vaccine would still lead to similar adverse reactions, as that would mostly implicate the spike protein and not necessarily the LNPs or the protein production process. But like I have explained in the post, we may not see anything serious until we have a higher sample, meaning they provide it to millions of people. I did review the supplemental material again and there were a few concerning adverse events reported but it's hard to discern them as being "from" or "with" the vaccines.
That's interesting about the Influenza vaccine and higher susceptibility. If you ever come across that study again could you send it my way Paul?
I will comment that this does make me wonder about prior vaccine trials and how robust they actually were. Everything going on makes one question many of our prior trials.
And here's two papers about influenza vaccine increasing susceptibility to other non-influenza respiratory viruses
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404712/
And from BMJ
https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m626/rr
Thanks Paul. I'll try taking a look when I have time. The childhood vaccine thing, in one aspect, may have their safety profile live on for the same reason these mRNA vaccines are- millions of people got it, so it has to be safe. The only thing is that these childhood vaccines can also evoke decades of use as another way to validate themselves. It's somewhat circular in logic.
Ok, memory was wrong. It was in relation to the childhood vaccines (not influenza) and no inert placebo testing for any of the mandated childhood vaccines. Page 323 in Kennedy's book The Real Anthony Fauci, first page of chapter 10: "HHS admitted that...none of the mandated childhood vaccines had been tested for safety in pe-licensing inert placebo tests." The letter from HHS, in response to a FOIA request for safety testing information of clinical trials for the vaccines is posted at childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/hhs-response-january-29-2018.pdf
So, yeah, malfeasance has been alive and well for years in the vaccine business.
Thank you for this informative summary! I did have hopes in the beginning that this might be a better route for a vaccine since it was at least similar to some current vaccines and not wholly new like the mRNA vaccines. If indeed the spike protein itself is immunogenetic then I do wonder if there is even a point in trying to create a vaccine (when the cure is as bad or maybe worse than the disease). As it now has natural animal reservoirs it will never be eradicated so perhaps the shift in public health response should focus on improving our overall health as this is quite a survivable disease for the overwhelming majority of people.
Thank you Clarisse. Yes, this is the conundrum of whether the cure is the disease. If all of this is traced to the spike protein the argument we can make then is that the spike protein dosing may be an issue. We can try to relate the level of spike in this vaccine to the spike in the mRNA vaccines.
A lot of vaccine zealots try to argue that you will be exposed to far more spike from an infection, but the process is gradual as the virus begins replicating. These vaccines may be providing a far higher dose all at once, and when providing that to a naïve body that isn't aware of this new antigen it may not be able to properly clear it out immediately.
This makes me wonder if they should have went, if anything, with a gradual increase in dose.
I am in Australia, I have a friend who had NOVAVAX after one dose got shingles, extreme fatigue and skin lesions, large red blisters and was diagnosed with diabetes
I'm sorry to hear that Penny. Apologies if this is too personal but do you know if your friend was given a diagnosis of something autoimmune or allergy-related? I'm wondering if this is happening quite often in Australia. It may mean that these adverse reactions may be more related to the spike protein, but we would also need some more information.
He has had a diagnosis of Lymes disease and had a 6 month exemption for that reason, despite his reluctance to get the jab and the GP knowing he had Lymes disease she gave him the jab anyway
We live in a very tick prone area in Australia, doctors here refuse to admit that there is Lymes disease in Australia despite blood tests showing that they have it, I only mention this as there seems to be a pattern here, Lyme disease can be treated with HCQ, but they treat Lymes disease (which doesn’t occur in Australia apparently) with IV drugs, which I assume are very expensive
Thanks for that information Penny. Lyme disease is hard to diagnose here in the US since it appears to be an exclusionary diagnosis similar to lupus. I'm wondering if the Lyme disease may have been a contributing factor, and based on your comments it appears that Lyme disease is being seriously underreported, which may also contribute to the possible adverse reactions.
Thank you for the good article, now that I'm finally reading it.
It seems to me that Novavax's potential market of people who want a vaccine but prefer a more traditional concoction would have been substantial if it would have been available in the U.S. in at least mid 2021. Now, however, the fiasco of the mRNA shots has hardened the position of most who have been able to avoid them, as well as many who took them. It's a hard pass on any COVID shot from here on out for a majority of the population.
I doubt if the delay in approval was for benign reasons, but whatever the case, I hope it's never approved in the U.S.
We still don't know what could be considered the toxic agent, and if it is the spike protein that really just means there's nothing we can do unfortunately (like I said, it'll essentially be a situation of the cure being the disease).
But you're right, I believe that the concerns over Operation Warp-speed and the incoherent messaging really did not play well with many who wanted to see other options. I've heard people say that they'll be skeptical of any vaccine now, and so you certainly won't win someone over with a COVID vaccine regardless if it's a more traditional version.
Thanks for this write-up. I have been saying for a while I believe Novavax will be "safer" because it doesn't force your body to create spike protein - and I stand by that until data shows me otherwise. However, Novavax shares the problem of the same old spike protein being used. Besides the potential cytotoxicity of the spike protein itself, using the old protein may set up the immune system to focus on the wrong thing...and lead to worsening outcomes for future variants. We shall see.
PS I think the FDA may possibly be slow walking Novavax because they know it's safer...and when VAERS shows the difference they won't be able to hide the mRNA problems anymore.
There are a few concerning adverse reactions, but personally I don't have the ability to really separate out the data in any deep manner. Novavax will tell us if it the spike protein at least, but like you said using the Wuhan spike really won't help much in light of Omicron. Novavax testing a booster dose to target Omicron would mean that someone who is naïve to the virus would need 3 doses likely separated over two months, and at that point if you haven't gotten it yet you will likely get it then!
And thanks for highlighting my post! I'm sorry someone took it very personally for you to look around at different information. Regardless of the title you can still provide your own perspective!
PS Just highlighted your post here -https://wholistic.substack.com/p/will-novavax-be-safer-than-mrna-vaccines
Thanks so much for the thorough rundown of novavax. 👍🏽💕 I don't imagine I will ever take another vaccine again in my life. And I certainly don't want the toxic spike protein in my body from this novavax vaccine. And then I wish more of the public would understand the difference between relative and absolute efficacy. They were really bamboozled on that one with the MRNA vaccines.
You know, I'm seeing that coming up a lot and I honestly cannot blame people. I've taken an annual flu vaccine for many years while many of my friends and family didn't. Then these vaccines came out, I didn't take them but everyone else did and I'm just left perplexed. But it really is starting to make me rethink whether I would consider annual vaccines- certainly not for respiratory viruses at this moment.
Interesting, what made you take the yearly flu vaccine? I have a friend who is in his '70s and has taken it every year for a while. His acupuncturist actually recommended it to him because he was getting regular infections, and he said it helped.
I got one or two bad flus in my twenties, and haven't had one since.
During the summer of 2021, I was researching vaccines. On the Novavax site, it said said the proteins in its vax were perfectly folded.. Folded proteins with nanoparticles sounds bad to me. I can’t find this on their website now. I was hoping I’d saved it, but I guess I didn’t. I saw on the current site Novavax is bragging about how quickly vaccines can be developed. They seem to think that’s a good thing. I’m not taking this one either. They could hold me down for it, of course.
So I don't know anything about that post, but the perfectly folded may have been discussing the structure of the spike protein which is trimeric (has three of the same subunits attached to it) and so it may be referencing that.
I will say that we should not dismiss it based on the nanoparticles alone. I think many in the FLCCC or other dissenting voices did not quite do justice in clarifying what nanoparticles are. They are just very small structures and they can be comprised of anything. I'm sure we have many nanoparticles in our bodies involved with many cellular processes.
The issue is the makeup of the nanoparticles. The LNPs used for the mRNA vaccines contain various tertiary amine lipids which some people are concerned about, although these lipids have been in use in other areas for a few decades.
It could be that the formulation of these LNPs may cause our body to recognize them as similar structures in our bodies, but we have no information about that unfortunately and may have to see if anyone is researching that.
As for Novavax's Matrix M, like I stated the only concern would be the saponin, but the saponin used is one that is used in many foods and cosmetics, so even if there may be concerns with these saponins we may have been exposed to them at some point in time.
So overall I would argue, at least for the time being, that the nanoparticles may be a red herring- they may not be the cause of these adverse reactions but may just be along for the ride.
Regardless, for some reason it doesn't appear as if the FDA is interested in its EUA approval, so I guess we have to wait and see how long until it gets approved.
Thanks for replying. I guess my bottom line is do I need a medical procedure for something I have some antibodies against if I don’t know for sure the therapy/drug is 100 percent safe? I did read than some types of nanoparticles were used so that therapeutics could penetrate the blood brain barrier. I’d like to know if these specific nano particles can do this. I can see how nanotechnology crossing the BBB can be use for cancer treatment and other types of brain ailments, but i would think it’s imperative to know if all nano particles or any carrying a load you may not want in the brain do can cross it. I’m still in watching and listening mode.
You're right on the first part Canny. I really see no reason why natural immunity is being downplayed so egregiously, especially at this point. I will continue to reiterate that everyone has gotten Omicron so the whole push for vaccination even now seems somewhat ridiculous.
As for the blood-brain barrier, that's likely due to the inability to access the central nervous system. The blood-brain barrier makes it near impossible for many drugs to viably pass through, and therefore it's hard to use therapeutic agents to try to target it. It's likely that the lipid nanoparticles were designed to be a delivery system for drugs. Aside from that I am not quite sure the actual formulations, but it would be interesting to see if there were crossover molecules used in these vaccines considering neurological problems are occurring.
Yep adjuvants are what cause the issues...
Even with the mrna shots, the lipid NANOPARTICLES caused issues for moderna even before COVID. Pfizer uses the same lnp patent!
I don't understand how people say it's spike protein, graphene, etc when lnp has a track record of being harmful.
I'm sorry to hear that happened to your children John. Choose whichever direction you wish, all that I ask is that you try to keep an open mind and look at different perspectives. It appears you are entrenched in your position, but even still try to seek out different ideas as that's one of the only ways we see what else is out there.
And no hard feelings John. Stop by every now and then even if you don't agree with my posts just so you can see what else is out there. But always keep in mind that comment you made that there are other things in life that's worth doing, and if they bring some joy then that's something worth pursuing.
All the best to you and your family John.